the second interviewer we saw a more humble lance armstrong. particularly when he talked about the lowest point which is stepping away from his career of service with the foundation. also, the tough times that his son spent defending his father. that's really the time that you saw him break which is when he tug ted hea-- tugged at the heartstrings of every person watching the interviewer. >> any time i see public confessions, part of me is what do we want to hear? he admits he lied. is there anything he can say that puts him back in the game either with the public or certainly in a sporting life? >> what we didn't hear from lance which everyone wants to hear is a continual apology. i'm sorry. you really didn't feel warm and fuzzy from his interviewer. in fact, you felt cold. he almost felt distant. it was as if he was doing -- >> the third person. >> exactly. everyone a favor by being here. the interviewer also was too long. he should have just gotten right to the point of what he needed to say and ended it. it was really drawn out. and he was